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Abortion is not a crime by impersonalinfo Abortion is not a crime by impersonalinfo
Well now I'm in a pretty pickle. I know for a fact I didn't make up this slogan, but Google isn't helping me find out who did.

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:icontheartfrog:
TheArtFrog Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2015  Student General Artist
Abortion is a crime in Ireland, with a 14 year jail sentence. It is perfectly legal to get one abroad though.

And what are the effects of the abortion ban... does it save lives? No. In fact, it actually leads to far more death.

In Ireland foetuses are treated as having "equal rights to the mother" in paper, but the sad reality is that women are too often treated second to the foetus by doctors who really don't know if they're legally allowed to save the woman or just let her die because of the anti-abortion laws.
"Respecting" the unborn only causes death, grief, pain and suffering as seen for the last 30 years of Ireland's anti-abortion laws. The laws need to go before more pregnant women get harmed by them.

If you are poor, pregnant and have a lethal complication in Ireland, you have been given a death sentence. It is extremely likely that you'll die in agony.

These laws need to be repealed. 

Some Pro-lifers Really Need to Understand This...Ireland has had anti-abortion laws for around 30 years now. It has proven time and time again that anti-abortion laws do not even prevent abortion, and they make it very dangerous for a poor woman to be pregnant, especially if she develops a lethal abnormality.

This is what anti-abortion laws mean in Ireland.
Sick women are legally unable to receive the help that they need until they are at literally about to die.Women who have illnesses like cancer, heart disease or organ damage are unable to get help at all during pregnancy.
25000 women have travelled abroad to the UK in just the last 5 years, desperately seeking much needed terminations. And these are just the lucky ones who can afford it. Women who aren't ready to have children are forced to have kids they nev
  Ireland, We Really Need To Have This Talk...Let me begin by asking you two simple questions:

:bulletblue: Do you believe that you have the right to what happens to your own body? :bulletblue:


:bulletblue: Do you believe in freedom of speech, without the threat of persecution? :bulletblue:

I'll let you ponder that for a few seconds...
I have the right to free speech, and in this journal I intend to exercise it. I am being incredibly careful in my wording so as not to break any laws, but I shouldn't have to worry about freedom of speech and my right to speak freely on topics. This concern in itself is a sign that something is terribly wrong in the country of Ireland.
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Today, I'm going to try tackling two very sensitive issues. I understand that writing about this may result in a heated debate, serious backlash of comments, and watchers unwatching, but I don't mind that. This is a discussion that is too often avoided that we really should talk about
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Birdramon260 Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2015
So, if a girl younger than 10 were to be RAPED and became pregnant, SHE COULD NOT HAVE AN ABORTION?!?!?
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
....that is a very weak argument...have you not seen the List of Youngest Mothers......?
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Birdramon260 Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2015
O_O ive looked all around and found it finally
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BrutusStark Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2015  New Deviant
I agree. Plus less than 3% of abortions happen as a result of rape or a life threatening situation.
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Exactly! They use it as some sort of birth control....sickening...
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Chrissi-queen Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
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iced-greentea Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
👌👌👌
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dietknife Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
no
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Stella-Miner Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2015
so if i were to get raped pregnant at the age of 10, then i should be forced to birth and raise this kid on my own instead of doing the right thing and aborting it to prevent further problems?
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icyfrostcats Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Kind of depends, if you're aborting with no purpose then yes, it should be a crime, but if you're doing it for a serious health life-or-death situation, I don't think it's a crime.
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:icontheguywholikessonic:
TheGuywhoLikesSonic Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2015  Student Photographer
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No,i am NOT pro-abortion. 
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SterileRitalin Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Religion isn't a crime.
But it should be.
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Gerbil-Powered-WiFi Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2016  Student Artist
Go to china if you hate religious people and there beliefs so much. Fuckin china everyone there is atheist
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:iconsterileritalin:
SterileRitalin Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Or I could stay where I normally live and still be an athiest.
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Gerbil-Powered-WiFi Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2016  Student Artist
But you dont have to be a douche to religious people :/. Im christian
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SterileRitalin Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Good for you, don't care.
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BrutusStark Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2015  New Deviant
Don't start with that threat.
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SterileRitalin Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
A threat of what?
Making something that should be illegal illegal?
By your logic the stamp is also a threat since its the same exact scentence except 'abortion' is 'religion'
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BrutusStark Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2015  New Deviant
I'm a Christian, and you said that I should be outlawed.
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:iconsterileritalin:
SterileRitalin Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Once again Christians show how loving and not bigoted they are.
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:iconbrutusstark:
BrutusStark Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2015  New Deviant
You should move to China. Christianity is outlawed there. You would be happy. Let us have our freedom here please.
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:iconsterileritalin:
SterileRitalin Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah I already live in Japan.
Maybe you should get off the internet, it is where religion goes to die.

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BrutusStark Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2015  New Deviant
No, you get off first.
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Sayrinn Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2015
Yes, freedom to our bodies. What a hypocrite. Spooky Scary Swiggity Swooty Marionette (Chat Icon 
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Getting rid of religion won't stop hate.

KKK don't hate blacks cause religion.

Whites didn't hate  blacks because of religion.

Hitler didn't kill the Jews because of religion.

WW1 and 2 had nothing to do with religion.

People are the number one producers of hAtE, am I saying we should all die? No! but I won't be surprised.
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fluffiiwolf Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Although religion is unrelated to this stamp I do agree.
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aquotic-boosters Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2015  Student Digital Artist
im in ur parkin lot 
abortin my foetuses
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Renhoekfan888 Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2015  Student General Artist
I agree, Abortion should be a crime.
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TGOM Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2015
Stupidity is not a crime.
But it should be.
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BlackDiamond874 Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2015
The value of life does not begin at conception. It begins when the mother or both parents decide, and it is not a decision they are required to make. Ultimately, it is their decision, not yours nor mine.
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Wildbery Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Okay so what about those little girls that get raped and doesn't want to have a child I guess she's a murderer too then guys let's lock her up
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soniclad Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2015
An unborn child is not a person.  It literally cannot think.  It is literally a group of developing cells that has no feelings. 
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RedAmerican1945 Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2015
The right of a woman shall not be infringed upon. A woman shouldn't have to bring up an unwanted baby, wether it be from a broken condom or at worst rape. 
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PlatinumKnife Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
"IT'S MAH BODY,  SUPPORT WOMAN'S RIGHTS" Well not all woman's rights..  Fetus are humans too.  Killing a human is murder. 
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RedAmerican1945 Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2015
Fetuses while their in the early development stage which is the time abortion is done, are not humans, the cant think breath or eat or feel without the help of the mother. More accurately it can be called a parasite. 
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PlatinumKnife Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's a human, nontheless.  Humans are not parasites.  Killing a child because it isn't wanted, or inconvenient is murder.  
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RedAmerican1945 Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2015
It cant thinks, feel or do anything. Also fetuses are not considered humans, also lets say a young girl is rape and doesn't want to go through the pain of birth, do you really think she should be dined to abort it.
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PlatinumKnife Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Babies are still babies.  It's still a human, born or not.  Also no offense, but I noticed a grammar mistake and it bothers me.  The girl should still have the baby. they can give you stuff to make you not feel pain.  (and surgery I think)  And the child can be put up for adoption, and go to a loving family.
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RedAmerican1945 Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2015
But the thing is the Fetus is not a baby, it cant think, fell, breath, or do anything yet. It isn't a human yet, there a point were it does become one and at that point you cant abort it, but early on it's like that.

Also the idea of having to make a young girl give birth sickens me, some grown women cant handle birth even with medicine, do you really want her to go through that pain. What if she insits to get it but is denied, to me that is as crule as you can be. Think about the person alive and what wiull happen to her if she goes through with it than the lifeless thing growing inside her. 
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PlatinumKnife Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well, that's why we have painkillers.  It's still a child.  The kid didn't ask to be born.  Give him a chance.
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TheodorVahlen Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2015
Expected from a Red. There's no respect for life from you people. Only death.

Nobody should have the right to kill another person unless in self defense.
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TheArtFrog Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2015  Student General Artist
Foetuses are not people. Fact. They are the potential for people. Unborn. Not born. Foetuses are not biologically a person, nor are they legally people.

However in Ireland they are treated as having "equal rights to the mother" in paper, but the sad reality is that women are too often treated second to the foetus by doctors who really don't know if they're legally allowed to save the woman or just let her die because of the anti-abortion laws.
"Respecting" the unborn only causes death, grief, pain and suffering as seen for the last 30 years of Ireland's anti-abortion laws.

Some Pro-lifers Really Need to Understand This...Ireland has had anti-abortion laws for around 30 years now. It has proven time and time again that anti-abortion laws do not even prevent abortion, and they make it very dangerous for a poor woman to be pregnant, especially if she develops a lethal abnormality.

This is what anti-abortion laws mean in Ireland.
Sick women are legally unable to receive the help that they need until they are at literally about to die.Women who have illnesses like cancer, heart disease or organ damage are unable to get help at all during pregnancy.
25000 women have travelled abroad to the UK in just the last 5 years, desperately seeking much needed terminations. And these are just the lucky ones who can afford it. Women who aren't ready to have children are forced to have kids they nev
  Ireland, We Really Need To Have This Talk...Let me begin by asking you two simple questions:

:bulletblue: Do you believe that you have the right to what happens to your own body? :bulletblue:


:bulletblue: Do you believe in freedom of speech, without the threat of persecution? :bulletblue:

I'll let you ponder that for a few seconds...
I have the right to free speech, and in this journal I intend to exercise it. I am being incredibly careful in my wording so as not to break any laws, but I shouldn't have to worry about freedom of speech and my right to speak freely on topics. This concern in itself is a sign that something is terribly wrong in the country of Ireland.
* * *
Today, I'm going to try tackling two very sensitive issues. I understand that writing about this may result in a heated debate, serious backlash of comments, and watchers unwatching, but I don't mind that. This is a discussion that is too often avoided that we really should talk about


Regardless of your gender, if you became pregnant tomorrow, went to the doctor later and was told that it had an abnormality that would kill you, would you want it removed?
If you're suicidal about it, tough sh*t, the doctors will let you die while putting an ultrasound image of your foetus in from of you. It's "like being on death row". I know people who have been through this and how they were treated was disgusting. :tears:

Legalising abortion is much safer for women than banning it.
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TheodorVahlen Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2015
The same might be said about your life.

Everyone has a right to self-defense. If someone or something is going to kill you, you have a right to kill it. The argument you are using is pathetic and slanderous. A strawman, if you understand the definition of that term.
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TheArtFrog Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2015  Student General Artist
Self defence is all well and good, but in Ireland you have to basically wait until it's too late and you will die before you can get an abortion. And even then you might be denied one. And it is a violation of the right to 'bodily intergrity' of the woman to have such laws in place.

Sorry, but how is my argument pathetic and slanderous? :? Could you please elaborate? I'm a little confused. ^^;

What I use in my argument is the reality in Ireland. I have friends who were just about lucky enough to get terminations in time to survive, and to tell me their experiences, and they are just two of many, many women affected by these laws.

If  we want to see a safer world for the living, the unborn should not be treated as if they are born; until they are actually born we shouldn't be prioritising them over living breathing human beings.


Whether you agree with it or not, the fact of the matter is that treating the unborn as people can be quite detrimental and even dangerous to the woman's health, as seen in Ireland.
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TheodorVahlen Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2015
They are unborn people, regardless as to what your brain fails to comprehend. It shocks me that people like you exist. In fact it's quite upsetting. Most mothers couldn't bear to kill their own children, even if it meant self-defense. A woman who does, and doesn't feel affected by it lacks empathy and should probably be treated. If I had the power to reclass you as non-living for one reason or another, despite the obvious reality that you're living just like the unborn children, I'm sure your mind would change real quick. Imagine people talking about killing you as if you were nothing. At one point you were in that position. Convenient that you should speak so easily of killing children now that you are no longer of age. That is why you are a person of pathetic character. Though I don't blame you, the world is full of stupid and sick people.
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TheArtFrog Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2015  Student General Artist
Calling someone "pathetic" "stupid" and "sick" because they don't share your opinion is not a good argument, nor is it an appropriate way to behave.

I could say the same... It shocks me that people like you exist. In fact it's quite upsetting. *sigh*

The unborn aren't children. That is a legal fact and also a biological fact. Foetuses simply are not children. And neither are blastula or embryos.

If you drew a face on a balloon you'd feel more guilty about popping it, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a balloon. It just means we have a more emotional response to it because we see it as being more human than it actually is.

Let me ask you this:

Regardless of circumstances, if you became pregnant tomorrow, and then later found out you had a fatal foetal abnormality and were told that the foetus would die, along with you, if you didn't get it removed, would you have a termination or not?
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TheodorVahlen Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2015
Obviously. There would be no other choice, other than the one that would pain me greatly. If it meant that I would die and my child would live... the circumstances would be different, however. A parent ought to give their lives to and for their children. That is one of our eternal obligations. You have no respect for human life. You lack empathy.
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RedAmerican1945 Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2015
Hm seems like you're the kind of person that thinks a fetus is a living breathing person, when for the most part at the stage where an abortion is performed, it can't think, fell, or do anything a human can do, it's a mass of developing cells. 

And sir just because i'm a "Red" as you call me (Which i'm guessing you think i'm a communist which no i'm not, i'm a Libertarian Socialist.) does't men i don't respect life, quite the opposite, i'm very much against the death penalty for anything, I'm against war. The only time when I think violence should be used is in cases of last resort, such as war if peace fails, or being attacked/ raped. I'm a pacifist who doesn't believe in perpetuating violence or causing.

I don't believe in Authoritarian Socialism or any ideology that is authoritarian, I consider people like Mao and Stalin as humans who's bad deeds outweigh their small good they did.

So before you go labeling me as a "Red" who has no respect for life, you might want to look into the person you're talking about.   
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