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How Dare You by impersonalinfo How Dare You by impersonalinfo
this stamp is directed at people who break the law to obtain commercial software, and then invoke the same law to protect their work.

not much to say otherwise.

fabric for the flag from ~alxfa @ [link]

as of this update...
I will not be reading or responding to comments on this deviation.
If you have something to say to me personally, do it in a note.
If you want to start an argument with other commenters, fine. But I'm staying out of it.
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:iconkyrtuck:
kyrtuck Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
yoho, fiddly dee, be a pirate a pirate is free.....

Pirate Swiggity Swooty, Foxy's Comin 4 Booty (Chat Icon) Pirate Flag okaay.... Pirate Penguinicon :Shake your Booty: Ah, the Noble Pirate .:Piratela:. 
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:iconbonessel:
bonessel Featured By Owner Edited Jul 7, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
..That me.
Sadly.
Oh well.
Gonna keep on anyways. It's got extra stuff you'd never get if you bought the actual thing.
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Vehement-Crusade Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2014  Professional Artist
hypocrisy is disgusting. really.
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:iconminkoizwr:
minkoizwr Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
pirate ception....
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:iconhalberdesque:
Halberdesque Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012
Look, man. You don't know what it's like. You don't have a clue. If you did, you'd find yourself doin' the same things to.


breaking the law... breaking the law...
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gaby-neko Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2012  Student
;-; *hides face with a paper bag* I am sorry, I am a broke "artist"! D: But I give credits to everybody, so i hope people do the same for me =3=
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:iconmantathemisukitty:
MantaTheMisukitty Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
let your eyes bleed in front of my drawings made with a pirated Photoshop!
lol
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:iconarmand-g:
Armand-G Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
that is powerful :D
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:iconionosphere-negate:
Ionosphere-Negate Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2012
Uhh... this is a Tu Quoque argument.
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:iconimpersonalinfo:
impersonalinfo Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
how so?
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:iconionosphere-negate:
Ionosphere-Negate Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2012
What I see is that you are saying that someone who makes pieces with wrongfully obtained software does not deserve protection against theft themselves for also committing the same, or similar, crime.
That's a Tu Quoque.

A accuses B of X,
A is guilty of X,
A's accusation against B is invalid.
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:iconimpersonalinfo:
impersonalinfo Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I'll grant you I've probably said as much, but not in the stamp or the description. ;) But just because... You can't deduce - from the fact that A, guilty of X, also accuses B of X - anything about the nature of X or anything about the validity of A's claim (art theft may still be wrong even if the artist is a thief). But you can reasonably use these two points to dismiss the legitimacy of A's authority where X is concerned.
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:iconionosphere-negate:
Ionosphere-Negate Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2012
"But you can reasonably use these two points to dismiss the legitimacy of A's authority where X is concerned."

That's still Appeal to Hypocrisy :/.
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:iconimpersonalinfo:
impersonalinfo Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
but appealing to hypocrisy is valid if you're not doing anything more extensive than calling somebody a hypocrite. :P
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:iconionosphere-negate:
Ionosphere-Negate Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2012
But you said you could revoke their authority on the matter. That's what I'm getting at. :/.
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:iconimpersonalinfo:
impersonalinfo Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Fine. You win. I amend my final statement to: "artists who break copyright law to create artwork do not deserve copy protection for said artwork based on suprarational grounds that take no account of the logical consistency of the argument as such" :P
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stickfigureparadise Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
"I'm less fortunate than you, boo hoo,"
My family lives paycheck to paycheck, and after bills, there isn't too much left over of that paycheck, so if I want something, I'll save back until I can buy it myself. Just because I'm financially-lacking doesn't mean I have to act like a thief. That excuse is just insulting!
And if you are really that "poor", computer programs should not be your first priority. Food and shelter should. You're not "poor". Be thankful you can afford internet service that offers many free and legal alternatives. Heck, be thankful you live in a country that allows you to use the internet.
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:iconimpersonalinfo:
impersonalinfo Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Exactly :iconthisplz: People who steal non-essentials and then bitch about having no money are an insult to you, me, and everyone else with a better order for their priorities. :P
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:iconstickfigureparadise:
stickfigureparadise Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Also, how DARE those programmers, researchers, etc. try to make a living off of their hard work! Only lazy people are entitled to nice things!

You know, I didn't compliment your stamp at all in my last comment, though as you can probably tell, I appreciate it VERY much, haha. I like how nice your stamps look; they're easy to read and still nice to look at. :D
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:iconimpersonalinfo:
impersonalinfo Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
lol thanks. I hate hard-to-read stamps.
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Ak-star Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2012
I use both GIMP and Photoshop. I admit I have used boot legs of past incarnations of Photoshop and Paintshop, but for college I had the ability to get the bundle(5.5 was what was there) I wanted for classes(graphic design)..it still made me have a knee jerk reaction to the price even with student discount. Seriously Adobe's prices are just DUMB for even slightly above bare design bundle(both it and premium are like $2000 WITHOUT discounts..mine bumped it down to $400). Let's not talk about how much in non digital art supplies I still have to buy for studio classes.

I prefer using GIMP over Photoshop but for college I'm a little too scared to really use it FOR the classes due to instructor I have had not clue what GIMP even was. That and GIMP still doesn't allow for certain functions that are possible in higher end products(Photoshop). So I mainly use GIMP for my personal work more than Photoshop, but open it to tidy a few things or certain filters. Sorry got off topic my bad.

All and all I kinda get what the stamp is about but there are people that don't like using GIMP or other software that is not quite the strength they need in an art program. *shrugs*
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:iconhappy-camper123:
happy-camper123 Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2012
Wait, I'm confused. Are you condoning art theft if the person who created the art downloaded Photoshop (or some other artistic program)?
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:iconimpersonalinfo:
impersonalinfo Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
not in this stamp, not in particular, but I can't say I see much of a problem with it in principle. :P
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happy-camper123 Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012
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You're joking, right?
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:iconimpersonalinfo:
impersonalinfo Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
art theft is always a bad thing, but if you're trying to say that someone who violated a software company's copyright to create their work deserves just as much protection as someone who didn't - sorry but I just don't believe it.
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happy-camper123 Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2012
But why? I'm sure you've heard the term "starving artist" before; nine times out of ten an artist simply can't afford a product like Photoshop, which can cost up to at least $150. It's unfair that just because a person doesn't have the funds that they should be subject to art theft.
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i-stamp Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2012
There's plenty of software out there for free or much cheaper than photoshop (opencanvas, paintoolsai, gimp, painter). Something being expensive doesn't excuse stealing it, no matter how poor you are.
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happy-camper123 Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2012
Be that as it may, it's still not fair that they shouldn't be protected from art theft. It's like if somebody had an iPhone filled with pirated; they spent lots of money on that phone, and if they lose it they should be helped to retrieve it, not cast away because they didn't want to spend ridiculous amounts of money on music.
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i-stamp Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2012
Any money they would lose on losing the phone is much less than the legal fees after being caught pirating music, same with art. Attempting to protect copyright over a product made with stolen goods would be self-incriminating.

In any case, it's not fair that they stole the goods, why should anyone care if it's fair that the thief isn't protected?
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CassidyPeterson Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2012  Hobbyist
I can see what you're saying and I agree to an extent, but part of me also sees this as being akin to revoking somebody's license for stealing a car. Obtaining the car illegally doesn't mean they should be deprived of the right to drive ANY car (...once they get out of jail, anyways).

Though in terms of car thieves bitching about their cars being stolen, that analogy I can agree with :P
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:iconimpersonalinfo:
impersonalinfo Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't think car thieves should be banned from driving cars. the scenario implied by this stamp is much more like your second example. ;)
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CassidyPeterson Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2012  Hobbyist
Heh, aye. Cheers!
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Angry-Paradox Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2011  Student Digital Artist
Have no money. Not allowed to get job. Parents won't buy art programs. Download time! :B
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RogueWarrior869 Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
GiMP. It's free and it's very awesome.:)
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Angry-Paradox Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I actually don't like Gimp at all

Not saying it's a bad program

I just can't stand it
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AtlasArtifex Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2011  Student Digital Artist
touche
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:iconmasterplanner:
MasterPlanner Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2011  Professional Artisan Crafter
I'm too poor to afford photoshop, so I bought some colored pencils and started drawing the old-fashioned way. :lol:
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AtlasArtifex Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2011  Student Digital Artist
good for you! although i find digital a lot cheaper in the long run! replacement colored pencils can get expensive >.>

and p.s. love ur sig XD
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:iconmasterplanner:
MasterPlanner Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2011  Professional Artisan Crafter
Yes, and so can nice sketchpads :saddummy:
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:iconatlasartifex:
AtlasArtifex Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2011  Student Digital Artist
yeahs :(
since i got photoshop and my tablet I've saved so much money, but recently I wanted to touch roots wiht traditional haha and i hated how much i had to spend ! >.>! but for art its worth it.
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MasterPlanner Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2011  Professional Artisan Crafter
No wonder the we have the whole "starving artist" stereotype. :iconsadtruthplz:
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:iconatlasartifex:
AtlasArtifex Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2011  Student Digital Artist
very true
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Ionosphere-Negate Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2011
I wouldn't apply this to software that costs out the ass.

Also, if you're saying that they shouldn't be able to defend their work because it was made with stolen items, this is an invalid Tu Quoque argument :U.
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AtlasArtifex Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2011  Student Digital Artist
in my opinion, traditional art costs WAY more then any program. You spend 300 dollars (or less) for photoshop student edition once, and that's it. I spent god knows how much on replacement markers for my prismacolor collection, (worth 350 dollars) inking pens, and paper, not to mention paints, brushes and colored pencils for other projects.
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Ionosphere-Negate Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2011
You don't need top-of-the-line products to make top-of-the-line art. I've seen masterpieces with just #2 pencils and MS Paint alike.
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AtlasArtifex Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2011  Student Digital Artist
I don't argue that. But do the research first. With art, some things are expensive for a reason. Some people over charge for the same type of paper you can get elsewhere--or basically the same tablet. But there's a merit to Photoshop. I've used most programs that were different and cheaper and I didn't take off till photoshop.
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Ionosphere-Negate Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2011
Do the "research"? "Photoshop"?
=extvia <--- Uses GIMP
*falvie <--- Uses Sai (I've been to several of her live-streams)
*Fourth-Star <--- Uses Sai and GIMP
*sunshineikimaru <--- Uses Sai and PS
*KeshiMeg <--- Uses Sai and PS
-Sai only costs about 70 USD.
-GIMP costs nothing.

Done.
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:iconatlasartifex:
AtlasArtifex Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2011  Student Digital Artist
i wasn't trying to be condescending, i was trying to give some advice because some things are needlessly expensive, like computer tablets and such. (wacom seriously overrated)

Sorry you misunderstood my tone. And with all those programs and such, Adobe does have the 1 up over them and even corel. I've used quite a few before I got photoshop, and that program as paid for itself in flexibility and limitless possibility. Knowing you have the top product makes you push it everywhere you can.
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Ionosphere-Negate Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2011
It sure seemed like it :iconwtfusayplz:.

Wacom? Figures. Good thing I haven't bought one yet. For the cost of that new Cintiq I could have a 2GB DDR5 graphics card [250$], 8GB of Quad-Channel DDR3 1333MHz RAM (Crucial, GSKILL, or Kingston) [100$], one WD Caviar Black 1TB 64MB cache 7200RPM HDD [240$], an AM3 MB [150$] with a Phenom II 1100T [200$], a 1080p Phillips or SAMSUNG monitor [275$], a some extremely rad keyboard [70$], a RAZER Mamba [120$] (I already have a R.A.T. 7 :giggle:), and one of these (for legacy equipment). Oh yes, and a full-size tower.
My JUSTer Active 75s, Creative CT4870 (which I have three of), and ASUS N16 are plenty, otherwise.
I'd still have enough left over for a not overrated tablet or otherwise :dummy:.

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Different people are good at using different things. My problem is that you used money as a valid comparison in the first place. Just because it costs a lot, doesn't mean its the best. I let products speak for themselves.

Example: FSOpen is one of the greatest 3D space-shooters games to-date, and costs nothing. Well, with the exception of having to buy FS2, which is only about seven bucks on Good Old Games.
The FS2 engine has readily accepted the introduction - via source code - of brand new features that would only be found in newer games, such as cel-shading (coming soon!), OpenGL/AL support, full HD graphics, normal, glow, and specular mapping, model transparency, among other things. I could give a list of everything, but that would take up two whole pages. Please note that FS2 was made for Windows 98 (circa 1999). It's been that long.
Just take a look at this sweet-ass shit: ([link] [link] [link] [link] [link]), and that's not even the gameplay.
Hell, some dudes are turning it into an atmospheric flight-simulator type game.
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impersonalinfo Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
"Costing out the ass" changes whether it's okay to take something without paying for it? That's like saying it should be illegal to steal cars unless you steal Bentleys.
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