It's when you start to claim that "your body" includes something that is quite clearly another person entirely - sleeping when you're awake and waking when you're asleep, using its own eyes to look at things you'll never see, experiencing dreams that you'll never know about, hearing the same things you do day in and day out and processing them independently without consulting you etc., that the argument gets a little ridiculous.
people making controversial stamps and then disabling the comments are like my primary source of inspiration lately.
End of story. If you could find a way to keep the embryo or zygote alive after being aborted that'd be one thing. But in the end it's HER body. She is not obligated to play host to something dependent on her body.
Was that too complicated?
Ehh I dunno perhaps THE FALSE IDEA THAT LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION?!!
You know that line that anti-choicers keep saying in order to eliminate women’s basic right to control over their own bodies?!!
Life does begin at conception
That only shows at the end of the day you use a phrase yet you don'y know it's meaning.
I already made stamp of this:
The real question is why questioning me about the fact that embryo isn't an human? What does it solve to question that?
While I at the other hand at the end of the day my question still remains.
Was that too complicated?
And considering you didn't get it I'm gonna take your "And what does it solve to say that?" as a yes.
I was questioning you because I suspect you're just saying "embryo, not human baby" in order to make abortion sound okay, which isnt a valid argument.
I'm pro-choice to an extent by the way. If a couple had consensual sex, didnt properly use protection and can manage it financially, they keep it. It wouldnt be "people controlling them" it would be them being irresponsible and forgetting that sex is not only for fun in the end. I'm okay with sex for fun but for fuck's sake no more "oh noes we had sex and a fetus formed, what the fuck??? remove it!!" and "evil people control me because I cant manage to control myself and use proper protection"
you know what? there's a difference between "beginning of life" and "fully developed"... a HUGE difference.
yeah I know that's what I just said to you.
Even I and probably you too arent "fully developed" yet as the brain is not completely developed until 24/25 years old.
Nooo?!! You think?!!!
So what? before something is "fully developed" it's "perfectly okay" to kill it?
Yeah right because the brain is the only organ that isn't fully developed, you know limbic circulatory system pulmonary, and the rest are they just fine. What part of process you don't fully understand is not only the brain everything is in the process of develop therefor just because is in that process it doesn't count as a fully alive entity so I wouldn't use the term "kill" while we stop that process. So allow me to rephrase your question.
So what? before something is "fully developed" it's "perfectly okay" to stop its growth?
And my answer is, "If the female who is brewing that entity doesn't want it" well YES!!(I'm pro choice I thought I had left that clear, so apparently you can't even understand the obvious, well you weren't kidding when you said your brain isn't fully developed)
I was questioning you because I suspect you're just saying "embryo, not human baby" in order to make abortion sound okay
Abortion is okay.
which isnt a valid argument.
Then why does the development of the fetus is the most significant fact that determines the morality of abortion?
I'm pro-choice to an extent by the way.
Theres no such thing your'e either pro-choice because you fully back up that choice or don't.
If a couple had consensual sex, didnt properly use protection and can manage it financially, they keep it.
HAHAHAHA!!!!! What ah! hahahaha! You think that the only think that people worries when they think about parenthood is the money? Also didn't properly use protection? You do realize that condoms aren't always sure right?
It wouldnt be "people controlling them"
You just said they if they can financially manage it they keep it and that's not controlling it? If they can manage it yeah right. I can imagine it: You two can afford a baby now have it, But But… I have dreams and a demanding career and having a kid is very life consuming, and I don't want to have a baby right know. Deciding for other people the criteria of how they should keep or abort a fetus isn't controlling them pal?
it would be them being irresponsible and forgetting that sex is not only for fun in the end.
My sexual encounters purpose are what I and my partner decide. And if you don't like it too bad.
I'm okay with sex for fun but for fuck's sake no more "oh noes we had sex and a fetus formed, what the fuck??? remove it!!"
If you don't have the guts to back up your sexual relationships and you aren't willing to take the hard choices that's up to you. Me on the other hand made my choice when I say "remove it" a long time ago.
*Yes I think so
*yes, and the skeleton too which isnt fully complete until puberty... as a whole, a newborn is still very fragile and overall completely dependent on its parents.
Well your brain obviously isnt fully developed either because you didnt get that I understood you were pro-choice.
*I know it's fucking acceptable, I said "sound" because just using vocabulary to eliminate any emotional appeal toward a fetus does not make a good point.
*because at some point it shouldnt be possible anymore to consider a fetus as a disposable clump of cells.
*well if you abort while being fully able to support it meh fuck it, do what you want, it's not like I care. and I think there's that "tomorrow's pill" if the condom breaks?
*Okay, it would be controlling people who fail to control themselves!
*It's not me not liking it it's how nature originally meant it.
If something's growing in my womb and I don't want it there, its getting the coat hanger.
Nothing is a 100% and I'm not going to stop having sex with my fiance.
And if you never want kids(like me), try to get fixed permanently. And even if the doctor is a dick and refuses it, fight for it or change the doctor.
Finding a doctor that is willing to tie my tubes.
Still, if I end up getting pregnant and I don't want it, I'm flushing the fetus out.
No one can make me stay pregnant against my will.
I also find that people in general give up too easily.
I think if a person wants to get herself/himself fixed they should do it. Much better than destroying a life and often the woman's bodies.
personally there should be a choice to the mother always, cant force her to take care of a child that is unwanted and may end up in foster care living a very terrible life, yes its the woman responsibility to take care of the child but as well as the father who helped create it.
both should take responsibility not just the mother. i think woman when they reach a certain age and they do not want children they should have the option of getting fixed. (if later they change their mind to bad) i dont like the idea of a unborn child being aborted when it was not their fault but i also dont agree with a child being born into this world unloved by their mother and if father is still around him to.
i will always will believe that a woman should always have the rights to chose.
birth control should be free as well.
these are my thoughts on this matter.