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Your Body by impersonalinfo Your Body by impersonalinfo
it should be obvious enough from all the other things I'm into that I don't give a damn what another woman does with her own body.

It's when you start to claim that "your body" includes something that is quite clearly another person entirely - sleeping when you're awake and waking when you're asleep, using its own eyes to look at things you'll never see, experiencing dreams that you'll never know about, hearing the same things you do day in and day out and processing them independently without consulting you etc., that the argument gets a little ridiculous.

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SnivelGriffoon Featured By Owner 10 hours ago  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The fetus, from the moment it's formed, is under full custody of the parents. It may not be a part of the woman's body, but until it becomes a baby, it is her property. Go on, argue with me. I fucking dare you.
somedudefromEARTH Featured By Owner 5 days ago  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank you for making this stamp.
fidofia Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
I am grateful for all the nice people in these comments who actually have good things to say.
Phoenix-Galaxy1010 Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2015  New member Hobbyist Artist
Baby's are parasites. When mothers say I'm pregnant I think of the movie alien when a baby alien pops out of the stomic. XD we where all parasites feeding off what our mother fed us. Fuck, we where all like tapeworms!! Oh and if you had a virus , you probably wouldent wanna take care of it cause oh all life is precious awwwhhh. Yes I'm comparing a baby to a virus. The baby is not alive until it takes its first breath. It can't think, or feel pain. It just makes the host nausious and eats what the mother consumes therefore its a parasite.
Tanadia Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Don't care, my body comes first :)
If something's growing in my womb and I don't want it there, its getting the coat hanger. 
holyhell111 Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2015  Student Photographer
just my opinion.
personally there should be a choice to the mother always, cant force her to take care of a child that is unwanted and may end up in foster care living a very terrible life, yes its the woman responsibility to take care of the child but as well as the father who helped create it.
both should take responsibility not just the mother. i think woman when they reach a certain age and they do not want children they should have the option of getting fixed. (if later they change their mind to bad)  i dont like the idea of a unborn child being aborted when it was not their fault but i also dont agree with a child being born into this world unloved by their mother and if father is still around him to.
i will always will believe that a woman should always have the rights to chose.
birth control should be free as well. 
these are my thoughts on this matter.
undeaddoktor Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2015
if you live in my body you gon live by my rules. now u gonna get aborted whether u like it or not
sophia-the-bookworm Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2015
It's not my fault I'm in your body, it's yours for either being stupid or lazy. How is this my fault?
undeaddoktor Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2015
if you live in my body you gon live by my rules. now u gonna get aborted whether u like it or not
sophia-the-bookworm Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2015
I'm not even going to waste my time with someone who can't even spell properly, or use proper grammar.
undeaddoktor Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2015
61021376 Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2015
I cant help but think we all were a fetus once.
BolinsEyebrows Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
yes, because a girl in her teens without a job and a home nor education should definitely raise that baby. that baby will have a wonderful, amazing life, experiencing only the best.
what do you expect the mother to do? once she has that baby, both of their lives are ruined. oh, but that doesn't matter, of course. because as long as the baby is born, everything is A-OK.
abortion is there for a reason. people dont get them just for "funsies!!!!!"
NaokoElric2250 Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
Then maybe, just maybe, she should not had sex, an action that can and will naturally result in pregnancy? Their lives are not 'ruined'. It is called taking responsibly for your actions, a proper equality supporting woman would do. There are plenty of places to help mums like that.
BolinsEyebrows Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yes, from now on, all girls should not have sex if they don't want babies. 
If they use protection during sex (a way to have sex wiTHOUT HAVING A BABY) and it breaks, what do they do?

Also are you a woman? Because any woman who wants equality would believe in being pro-choice.
NaokoElric2250 Featured By Owner Edited Feb 1, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
It is still her fault. She chose to have sex. If the pointless, needless condom breaks, it's still her responsibility.

Ah, bringing out that double standard, eh? Trying to what is an equal rights activist and what is not? Well, in my opnion, as someone who believes in true equality (women taking responsibility for their actions, for example instead of selfishly and sexistly escape them) would oppose non-rape abortion. She made the choice to have sex. That is being pro-choice. She choice to have sex. A new life is not an 'accident' or 'parasite' or 'unwanted' or whatever those sick bastards who call themselves 'feminist' or 'pro-choice' or 'pro-equality', come out with. A person who believes in completely and utter equality would likely believe all human life is equal, woman, man, child, baby, unborn baby.
BolinsEyebrows Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
So you're saying women should not have sex whatsoever. What about rape victims? Should they have to continue on with an unwanted child because of a decision SOMEONE ELSE made? Because according to your logic, if it's their choice to have sex, they should go through with it. They didn't choose to be raped, therefore they didn't CHOOSE to want a baby.

Hate to break it to you, but giving a woman the right to do with her body as she pleases is equal rights. Aka feminism.
Taking away someones rights because you believe a clump of cells inside her is more important is, SURPRISINGLY, not equal rights. Funny how taking away someones rights doesn't turn out to be equal, huh? How odd.

Also if you are a dude you have NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER to decide what a female does and doesn't do with her body. Your opinion doesn't matter in the slightest. You're never having to go through this, so no one cares about what you say.
NaokoElric2250 Featured By Owner Edited Feb 2, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
Did you even read my comment? Women can have sex all they like, but when they shame others for having an opinion on it, or think that murdering the natural result of which, of which she chose to have the possibility of happening? Then she is a selfish, hypocritical slut. She was that foetus once, after all. And I already explained about rape victims. Why is that all 'pro-choicers' go-to argument when someone dares to care about all life, about being against selfishness and denial of responsibility and acknowledging the simple human biology? The womb and sperm are not just there for show. Sex is not just for pleasure.

It is not 'her body'. Not forgetting that she shared with a man, but that foetus, as this very stamp correctly states, is <iu>another body entirely. She does not have the right to be a dictator, to decide the fate of another life who has done nothing wrong, whom she choice to have. Not one has the right to control another, to take away their life, when they have done nothing wrong. Existence is not a crime, you mongo. It is not 'taking away' anyone's right. It is adding more rights, to all human life. Equality does not equal women being allowed to be selfish, sexist, and heartless. You have every right to be a retard and deny natural, normal human biology, but not to take destructive, life-destroying actions based on your ignorence.

And that is not sexist and misandric or anything. That is so very not discrimination or anything. That is so very not a double standard or anything. It's not as if it is his child as well. It's not as if he gave it one half of it's DNA and genes. That child would not exist without a man's involvement. Saying someone has no right to an opinion based on their gender? That is familiar is it not? Again, never mind the suffering men have had when they have endure some heartless girl kill their baby, take away their child. It's not like she could have the child and then give it to the father or anything. It's not like she already when through sex or anything. Again, It's not like she shared her body with him, it's not like she gave herself to a man and trusted him so much. We are all 'clumps' of cells. You would not exist to be such a heartless, selfish, sexist, wretch if you were aborted. How dare you be such a great, gigantic hypocrite. A woman does not have the 'right' to dictate the parental rights of a man, to take away his rights. That is called being a Feminazi. It is called being a sexist, it is called being a misandrist. If killing children outside the womb is wrong, then so is it being inside the womb.

My opinion does matter, sweetheart, because it's called free speech, it's called equality. If mine does not, then neither does yours, you hypocrite. Have you gone through pregnancy? If the answer is no, then you should shut up as well.

This is the end of the conversation, you disgusting, sexist, misandric, Feminazi, inhumane creature.
iiTaco Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Ohhh my god. Im laughing so hard. 
"Again, never mind the suffering men have had when they have endure some heartless girlkill their baby, take away their child."
So sorry for all the pain you go through! So sorry. You guys have it the toughest, therefore you have 100% say in this. I understand now.
Also calling me things like 'slut' and other derogatory words isn't very mature, sweetie. 

I'm a "feminazi"? If "feminazi" means believing in equal rights for all genders, erasing homophobia/transphobia/albeism/racism, generally being a GOOD PERSON and helping out those in need of help, then hell yeah I'm a feminazi. I love how feminists scare men to the point that they go to calling them nazis just to protect their masculinity. Good job, real original. I haven't heard that one before. I'll be sure to go cry about it with my group of feminazi buds. They'll be so emotionally heartbroken. You don't even know.

Giving a woman the rights to her body is equal rights. Taking them away, is not. The embryo is attached to her body. While yes, I believe that you should not be allowed to have an abortion past the first 6 months, it's really none of my business as its THEIR body, THEIR choice. Not yours, not mine, not anyones. Ultimately its the person with the fetus living inside them that get to choose. 

Grow up, kid. You've got a long way to go.
Vovina-de-Micaloz Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Actually it's more like:

First image: "My body"

Second image: "A parasite leeching off my body that needs to be exterminated."
NaokoElric2250 Featured By Owner Edited Jan 30, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
Nope. A 'parasite' is of a different species. And you were that so-called 'parasite' once. Anyone who says of that tiny life in such a way is automatically insulting themselves, their mothers, their family, and every single human on the planet. 'People' like you made good, healthy, non-insane people like me want to physically puke.
Vovina-de-Micaloz Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
By definition, it is a parasite.

Wikipedia: "Parasitism is a non-mutual symbiotic relationship between species, where one species, the parasite, benefits at the expense of the other, the host... Unlike predators, parasites typically do not kill their host, are generally much smaller than their host, and will often live in or on their host for an extended period."

"And you were that so-called 'parasite' once."
Logical fallacies aren't going to get you anywhere.
I was once one, yes. but my mother chose to have me... just how I choose not to have any kids.

"'People' like you made good, healthy, non-insane people like me want to physically puke."
I'll admit that I'm not healthy (need to work out more!), but I am good and I'm perfectly sane.
For me, the thought of having kids makes me want to puke! Your point is...?
Sorry that you blindly follow your emotions, rather than use logic to actually think things though. You should try the latter some time.
NaokoElric2250 Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
No, it's not. It's a fellow human life. It is something you once were. Pregnancy is not a 'disease'. It is wonderful part of nature.

It is not a 'logical fallacy'. It is called hypocrisy. The whole concept of non-rape abortion is hypocritical, selfish, and disgusting. It is trying to escape reasonability, it is denying what heterosexual sex is for, it is denying our very biology. I do not want biology children, which is one of the many reasons I do not have sex. And let's not forget the poor men who loss their child as well. Oh but wait, misandry is fine3 in the modern world, and according to 'feminism'. Never mind those who have had mental breakdowns at the loss of his child, he is just a man.

No, anyone who advocates killing another innocent, faultless life because it is 'inconvenient' is insane. It makes existence punishable.
And you were a child once. There is nothing wrong with not wanting to have children, but if you are perfectly comfortable having sex, letting a man inside you, to take you, then pregnancy is fine as well. It does not involve being so open, so vulnerable, so trusting.
Vovina-de-Micaloz Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This isn't going to be short.

Just going to let you know, my husband does not want kids, either and fully supports my decision not to have them. Thankfully I should be getting a tubal litigation done soon, so we won't have to worry about any more accidents.

Secondly, an abortion will not be performed by a doctor past 24 weeks, unless the woman's life is in danger. Most abortions are performed before 14 weeks; very few doctors will perform one close to that date.
Anyhow... you believe in the human soul, correct?
The soul is not placed into the body until 31 weeks. The soul must be able to interface with the nervous system, and that is when it is finally developed.
Also, at that point a woman might as well have the damn thing; in short, absolutely zero abortions are (legally) performed on something that has a soul.

You've never had sex... I think those goes to show that there's a high chance that people who advocate for "if you don't want kids then just don't have sex! Easy!" are virgins.
Of course it's easy to abstain! For you. So easy to remain abstinent, when you have no idea what sex feels like.

I take it that you've never been knocked up; as I've found, most people have no idea how the entire process feels... so perhaps a little description is in order. Lemme give you a taste of the real world, and yank you out of the clouds


When a woman is carrying around that "fetus", she feels: exhausted, bloated, experiences stabbing hip pain, is emotionally volatile, feels like she has a constant urinary infection/has to pee every 10-20 minutes, feels obese, feels overall horrible and sick... FOR 9 MONTHS STRAIGHT.

Then when the woman has go to have the damn thing, she has the worst cramping of her life.

And that's just the beginning. 

The process of getting it out makes her scream constantly in pain, even with painkillers and a high pain tolerance. The pain is so excruciating that she cannot move, she cannot even speak without her voice quaking.
The woman is close to blacking out multiple times throughout the ordeal, any less of a pain tolerance and she probably would have blacked out.

That is/was my experience with it. The whole ordeal lasted only EIGHT WEEKS.

Not 40. 8.
Those 8 weeks were/are a very dark cloud over my life.

If you read all that, and still want to tell a woman that she has to go through something worse than that, then honestly?
xXSilveretteRoseXx Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
I have perfectly reasonable questions for you.

First, how the hell do you know when a soul gets "placed it the body"? 
And second, why did you write "placed" or "developed" as though the soul itself is
considered a human body part/organ? 

According to most Christian teachings, if not all, the soul is not physical. It is strictly
spiritual and therefore, not something you can perceive with the five senses. The soul
is something found through faith alone. Where did you get "31 weeks" from? Did you
make that up? The soul is considered "the immortal essence that resides within a person"
not some piece of tissue that doctors can study. Richard Swinsburn, a Christian philosopher 
of religion, states that "....Souls are immaterial subjects of mental properties. They have
sensations and thoughts, desires and beliefs, and perform intentional actions. Souls are
essential parts of human beings."

If you are going to use the argument of a soul against 
someone who believes in the existence
of a soul, then you must first do research on the soul, love. The soul is one of the reasons why
us Christians believe abortion is immoral. If you want to covert someone so badly to being 
Pro-Choice, you must know the opposing side's beliefs. It often helps in constructing arguments. 

Also, of course sex feels good! There's a reason why so many people do it. I won't deny that sex
feels really fucking good. But in natural law, along with sexual intercourse comes offspring. For 
thousands of years, humans have born offspring with no problems or objections to it. You shouldn't
complain about the symptoms or the pain of pregnacy when many women in the past have had to
give birth without the painkillers and drugs we have today, let alone a sparkling clean hospital. In
Elizabethan times, children were considered a huge blessing. Some couples who suffer from infertility
would love to have children of their own to hold and love and raise. To have people killing unborn
children without a thought is very selfish, all things considered. 

Then honestly, what?
Vovina-de-Micaloz Featured By Owner Edited Jan 31, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The soul is akin to software, as the brain is to hardware of the body.
The soul is basically "installed" onto the hardware; the nervous system is the interface between the physical and the spiritual of the soul, with the Pineal Gland being the gateway.

Correct that the soul is not a physical thing. It only exists on the physical plane because it is inhabiting a physical body; without that, the soul eventually loses energy to stay on the physical plane and is transferred to the astral plane after physical death.
The soul is a part of your body, it is not found through "faith", but it is already there from the start. By working with one's own soul, one empowers it and improves upon it.
I received the information from Lady Ishtar/Astaroth, and it was confirmed by a trusted source who has studied astral phenomenon for over a decade.
I already know the rest of the information you have stated about the soul in that paragraph.

I've done plenty research on the soul.
What are the 3 parts of the soul? How many total chakras of the soul are there? How many main chakras? What is the soul made out of? What happens if the soul is not reincarnated? What happens to the soul after physical death?
^Do you know these answers? I do.

I'm not trying to "convert" anybody to being pro-choice. I'm merely defending my own stance against people who seem to do nothing but insult me. It's sadly something I should be used to by now...

True that's how it was done in the old days... but times change. We have a choice now on whether or not we want to keep it.
You say to "not complain about the pain", yet you have no experienced it yourself. You really have no idea what you are talking about.
This isn't a pain like spraining an ankle or breaking an arm... it's far worse. Traumatizing, even. There's a good reason that women in movies are shown screaming constantly during the whole ordeal.

Also, I ask that you do not attempt to use the "it's an unborn child" argument on me; a ball of red flesh and tissue, without a soul, does not constitute as a "child".

I don't see how "not wanting to suffer" is defined as "selfish", really.
NaokoElric2250 Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
Wow, nice job being a patronizing bitch. And making baseless assumptions.

Then he is the exception from the rule, of which I know there would be. It does not change the blatant discrimination against fathers. 

Yes, but more importantly, I believe in equality, basic human biology, and not being the biggest form of hypocrite there absolutely can be. And it is still selfish. Rape and death are caused by some selfish heartless cow.

I am not 'abstinent'. I am asexual, along with a strong, self-respecting woman. Yes, and not being able to control themselves shows how mentally weak a woman is, letting herself be controlled by lust. There is nothing wrong with that in principal, but there is when, again, she is being selfish.

And I know this too. I have read books and been around pregnant women. And my reply is? So what? You already had sex, you already went through the possible pain of that, you let a man inside you, Dominate you. You already made that irreversible choice. Pregnancy is nothing compared to that. everyone had been sick, everyone has been in pain, some greater than others. And it is worth it for the child at the end. And you can always give them to another family (not just chuck them in the adoption business, but get out there and find a family for them), if the mother is really that much devoid of emotion, of humanity.

Yes, I will, because I am a proper, true, modern woman who does not advocate murder of the innocent people (you are a clump of cells to, you were that clump of cells), blatant misandry, and women trying to escape reasonability, and instead being a complete slut, and her acting like she is better and more important than she is.

That is all.
MauEvig Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
It's hardly considered equality if a man can go around fucking all the women he wants while he doesn't have to suffer the consequences for it, but it's completely fair game if a woman has to, at least according to your logic. You really think father's matter that much when they have often "slam bam thank you ma'am" and he gets off scott free while the woman is shamed for being pregnant? The truth is, the shame is upon BOTH of them, but she's the only one who can show for it. If he can take off and neglect his responsibility as a father, then she should be able to have an abortion. Otherwise, it is not fair, and it is not equal. And please, if I hear "she should not have had sex" one more time I'm going to scream, this isn't about "should'ves, would'ves and could'ves." They both should have discussed what would happen if a pregnancy were to occur. If they didn't, then who's body is the baby going to be growing in? If it's the father's body, then by all means let him carry the baby to term. Oh wait, doesn't work like that does it? Once the sex is done and over with, he's done his part. You want to talk about nature's way? Fine. Let's discuss "nature's way." Plenty of times I've seen it where a mother has offspring in the wild, and just abandons the offspring to starve to death and takes no interest in them. If he wants the baby that bad, he'd better take responsibility for it if and only if she doesn't want it but is willing to carry to term. Do not put all the responsibility on the woman. If you want to speak volumes for how much the male should have rights to the kid, then he should be punished and shamed as well for having sex, for choosing to have sex with her.

Also according to your logic, a woman who inserts a tampon inside of herself must be dominated now by that tampon. Sounds ridiculous doesn't it? Just as ridiculous as it does to assume that a man is dominating her by putting his dick inside her vagina. I could twist that around and say in reality he's submitting to her because he's entering her property. If you enter someone's house, you follow their rules, he gets invited in, he's submitting to her. Plenty of women manipulate men using lust. You've also contradicted a comment you made to someone else, you stated that when they have intercourse, their bodies become ONE. So how is it then that it's ALL HER FAULT if she becomes pregnant?

You are hardly for feminine equality if you believe these things.

But maybe the sad truth is that we're not really equal. If we were, both sexes would have to take part in carrying the child inside of them, but they don't. Only the woman is forced to do so. It is because of that, because it's her body the fetus is growing inside, her nutrients it is using, that she should determine whether or not the fetus continues to term.

Personally, I feel men and women should be treated equally. You have a very twisted, warped sense of what it means to be equal. However, the one thing we aren't equal in is how our reproductive organs work. If it doesn't involve his body after the sex, that's just too damn bad. It is selfish of him to use her body to carry a baby to term if she doesn't want it.

I'm fine if someone doesn't want to have sex, and I'm fine if they don't want to have an abortion. I am NOT OK with your vile perception of what womanhood and equality means.

Also...not all females are submissive species. Ever look at hyenas? And if sex was just for reproduction, dolphins and bonobos probably wouldn't be doing it for pleasure.

And before you label me a "feminazi" for my points of view, keep in mind I'm not a male hater. I'm straight, and I'm in a loving relationship. We've both agreed on an abortion should I become pregnant. Thankfully that has not happened yet. This is an ideal situation, but it is my personal opinion that if they can't agree, the woman should be able to decide by default. If the world were fair and equal, women wouldn't be given preference in custody battles. Why I don't want children is my own business, but I have several reasons for it. Anxiety/Depression issues are things I struggle with that I would not want to pass onto a child, poor economic conditions are another. I have a terrible temper that I experienced from one of my parents. I don't have a lot of money, and maybe, just maybe I want to focus on educating the next generation rather than having my own kids. But hey, I guess I'm a selfish person aren't I? Oh well.

I'm beginning to think maybe you just had a bad experience with men and think their entire purpose is to lord over women and disrespect them. That isn't the case, regardless if they have sex or not. Funny how I used to think the way you did. But I would not expect you to understand unless you've experienced it. No one ever really does.

Regardless, what you've stated is an opinion. I've seen a lot of great arguments from people on here that I agree with. In the end this isn't just about Pro-Life or Pro-Choice anymore. This is about who has a right to who's body. According to you, it's Man>Fetus>Woman. Again, I do NOT see that as equality or something that's unselfish by any means.
KATZENSAFT Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2015
I can't believe that people in the comments are trying to make this a gender issue.

"Wah, wah! If the evil MEN had a device 2 make all babbys male, der wud be NO abortions, yu sexist conservative tard!"

I wonder why people are spending big bucks on gender selection treatments (such as PGS) to have female babies, then...
ApocaWarCry Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2015   General Artist
Good Stamp :clap:
Infinity-Bacon Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2015  Student Digital Artist
So you're saying a 13-year-old who could have been raped should go on with the pregnancy? :stare:
xXSilveretteRoseXx Featured By Owner Edited Jan 2, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
I want to voice my opinion and respond to a comment on the next page of comments. 

One: I think most people are against abortion because it revolves around a human fetus, not arachnids that suck your blood. Ticks are harmful to your body, whereas an unborn human child is not always harmful. I'm well aware that there are certain situations in which the baby can be harmful to the mother, but most of the time, it's just as harmless as a baby that's outside of the womb. Why bring ticks into a situation that's already complicated enough?
Two: "Parasite"? In what situation would a human fetus ever be considered a "parasite"? It may draw strength from its mother, but it's completely harmless. A parasite, according to most universities and government-sponsered websites, is "an organism that seeks out, lives on or in a host organism, and benefits at the expense of its host." A fetus may benefit, but it never willingly infultrates a mother's womb, nor does it intentionally harm the mother. 
Three: Who says that a fetus cannot feel pain? I understand that some scientests and researchers often state that before a certain developmental stage, an embryo's sensory cells are unable to respond to such things, but what of unborn children that are aborted after that stage? There used to be an abortion method in which the doctor would stab a pair of scissors into the base of a fetus' neck and allow it to bleed to death, but then it was outlawed due to the fact that it was "inhumane and cruel". So, if a human fetus cannot feel pain, why was that method outlawed in the first place? Because of the display of blood caused by the method? I doubt it. 
Four, because this topic irks me so much: Why is it that some (NOT ALL) Pro-Choice people consider a fetus unliving until it is born? 
Have any of them ever seen the famous picture in which a human fetus, during surgery, is grasping the doctor's thumb? And have any of them seen the pictures in which the fetus sucks their thumb, or heard of the common stories of reactions to sounds made from outside its environment, such as kicks to the sac? Ever heard of those heartwarming moments when a mother calls her husband or her other children to feel the baby's "kicks"? How on Earth is that baby unliving? 
Five: Addressing arguments about rape and life-or-death situations involving the mother is difficult. I understand that. It's more than difficult; it's nearly impossible. But when I hear of rape, I still lean toward the Pro-Life side of things. I know that the topic is sensitive and painful and brings up beyond-awful memories, but imagine the result of rape in the first place: a baby. A child. A human being. Someone that, once (s)he is born, could accomplish great things, live an amazing life. They can make friends, have birthdays, experience the wonders and joys of life. And don't even bring up the "disability" argument. My younger sister has Down syndrome, and she is the happiest, most beautiful, innocent girl I've ever met in the extent of my life. She laughs, dances, speaks, and learns just like any other human being. Rape, to me, is no excuse to not have the child. How could you strip someone of their chance at seeing the sun for the first time, open their mouth and say their first words? How could you murder a baby, just waiting to take their first steps and eat and play just like the rest of us? 

I can't express how much this argument tears me up on the inside. I realize that it isn't just black and white, that some cases are shades of grey in between, but really....think about it.

If it came down to it, all you Pro-Choicers, could you really look a doctor in the eye and say, "Abort my child, please."

I know that I couldn't. 
Vovina-de-Micaloz Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Tell me, do you actually have any children?
xXSilveretteRoseXx Featured By Owner Edited Jan 31, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
I'm going to be honest and say that no, I do not. 

I do, however, have several cousins that were adopted from families 
who considered abortion. I also happen to have a younger sister with
Down syndrome, love. I believe I mentioned that above. She is one of
the reasons why I stand so firmly on the subject. Many of my mother's
friends told her to abort my sister, but she didn't. And she gave birth
to a lovely baby girl with Down syndrome who never says a rude thing
to anyone. She hugs and kisses and the only thing she ever does is 
brighten up my life. 

I'm also going to ask, "Do you?" If you don't, you have no idea 
how fun and memorable and happy raising a child can really be.
My mother has told me time and time again how she misses when
my siblings and I were still children, as we were "the light in her life".
We made her laugh, we drove her crazy, we made her cry, but she
still loved us with every fiber of her being. 

And I read your replies to the comments above. 

I can honestly say you really have the lowest argument, in my opinion. 
And my opinion doesn't have to mean much to you, I will admit. But 
nonetheless, if your argument to killing children is really going to be 
whining about how "pregnancy hurts like a bitch" then you have no
place here on the matter of this stamp. Most people argue with the
subject of rape, which is a very important point in the Pro-Life/Pro-
Choice issue. But to say you refuse to have children, or have abortions
because it "hurts too bad" or "the symptoms are too painful to deal
 then I really have only one thing to say to you. 

How can someone be so selfish?

Vovina-de-Micaloz Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You wouldn't be saying any of that if you had ever actually gone through the process yourself.
xXSilveretteRoseXx Featured By Owner Edited Jan 31, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
Will you construct an intelligent arguement with more than seventeen words, please?

You haven't answered any of my questions in my other comment, either. You know, the
ones I had about the human soul? Would you mind answering those?

I suppose you have given birth, then? Does this mean you do have children? If you despise
human offspring that much, what did you do with the child you produced? Did you try to 
abort it once it was outside of the womb?

Because then, it really is murder.  
Vovina-de-Micaloz Featured By Owner Edited Jan 31, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
As of typing this, I haven't even looked at your other comment yet.

Technically yes, technically no. I had an abortion at 8 weeks. I don't see how you think I had one full term if you really did read my other comment.

Just going to say, "quit whining about it" and "stop being selfish" really are both heartless things to say.
The event was traumatizing; it's like saying to a rape victim, "oh wah quit whining! You should go get raped again!"
xXSilveretteRoseXx Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2015  Hobbyist Writer

You were pregnant. Millions upon millions of women have been pregnant and survived. 
And it was most likely your own fault for getting pregnant in the first place. Sexuality
is fantastic, but the result of intercourse is in fact, children. To have sex solely for pleasure
and then kill off the result of your lust is selfish

Here, I'll even define it for you:

"Selfish (adj.): Lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure."

I truly believe that having sex and then not wanting to deal with the result is, indeed, selfish
It's one thing to be held down against your will and raped. 
It's another to be with your boyfriend/husband and give them your full consent

I'm still shaking my head at this. You committed a pleasurable act that resulted in pregnancy,
and then you were unwilling to go through the varying stages of pregnancy? 

Well, I suppose we'll never know who's truly right and wrong until the both of us die. 
Until then, I hope you have a very nice, fulfilling sex life with absolutely no children
Because obviously children are the spawn of Satan. 
Vovina-de-Micaloz Featured By Owner Edited Jan 31, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:bulletgreen:"Millions upon millions of women have been pregnant and survived.

Your point?
It doesn't make the process any less terrible.

:bulletgreen:"And it was most likely your own fault for getting pregnant in the first place"

What happened to "thou shall not judge"?

You really want know what happened? The guy I was with was infertile. Keyword was. Had an incident when he was younger that ended up killing his reproduction capabilities.
This man is somebody I have lived with for years, so he was not some "fling" or a "one night stand". I still live with him, even now.
If I had known he had been fertile, I would have used protection, and nothing would have even happened. We wouldn't be having this conversation.
Late last February, I realized that I my period was late. Really late. I took the test, and was completely devastated by it coming up positive.

I had never wanted children... I sunk into a depression. The guy promised me that he would help me.
He came through on that promise, as did the god of humanity on his message that I would be "childfree".

Like you, I too was once thought the process wouldn't be too bad... relatively painless. After all, it was "only the size of a chicken egg or so".
I was wrong. Dead wrong. I've already written out my experience with expelling it elsewhere (you've read them most likely), so I don't feel any need to repeat them.
Looking back on it now, it looks like there is a blackened hurricane sitting over that portion of my life; I never want to go back to that again.
It was hours, days, weeks of pure torture.
Why should I have to go through months and years of torture just for that few minutes of pleasure? A rather disproportionate punishment.

:bulletgreen:"we'll never know who's truly right and wrong until the both of us die."
Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't plan on dying.

:bulletgreen:"Because obviously children are the spawn of Satan."
Is that supposed to be an insult? 'Cause you're simply stating a fact. All humans are the children of Enki/Satan.
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MauEvig Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
So....apparently two people who have sex because they love each selfish? Just because they don't want children to result from it? I'm sorry but I just don't understand your reasoning here.

I also think you fail to realize that people get abortions for plenty of un-selfish reasons. I myself don't want children because I suffer from severe anxiety and have problems with depression, I don't have a lot of money, and there's millions of children out there who are already born who have homes that could be adopted out, but aren't because of the messed up system. Giving up a baby for adoption could potentially lead that baby to be abused, and mistreated in foster care, and then dumped on the streets and abandoned when they turn 18. Sometimes, people have stated that they would rather have been aborted than be born. No matter what, we don't get a choice in the matter. To be honest, I'm not one of those people, but I feel bad for those who are in that situation.

Try to be a little more sympathetic. You don't know someone's pain unless you've been through it yourself.
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NyanPuppy Featured By Owner Edited Jan 18, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Just to help out reason number five, only 1% of all abortions come from rape.…

Gives you an idea... :l

Also, beautifully composed comment. :)
xXSilveretteRoseXx Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
Thank you~!
JocastaTheWeird Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
This is a brilliant comment! ;o;
xXSilveretteRoseXx Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
Thank you so much~  :hug:
Tamabelle Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2015  New member Hobbyist Digital Artist
This is such a beautiful comment, I'm crying. :clap:
xXSilveretteRoseXx Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
Thank you~  :heart:
I-Am-The-Cold Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Just because it's not your body, does not mean that you have to put another in this world that is overpopulated. It's not about being irresponsible for having unprotected sex, it has to do with possible birth defects, and the health of the mother. A mother only wants her child to be healthy and safe, and if the mother dies, the child may not finish developing, thus, killing both bodies. I am going to ask you a question, and you bloody well answer.

Would you rather a mother have an abortion for a rape child, or follow through with that rape child because her sky daddy made of clouds told her to?

I think the answer is pretty obvious.
BolinsEyebrows Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
"Would you rather a mother have an abortion for a rape child, or follow through with that rape child because her sky daddy made of clouds told her to?"
YES yes yes
this comment makes me happy
I-Am-The-Cold Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you, friend.
HElCHOU Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
It doesn't matter. What if a rape victim wanted an abortion? Or a secondary school/college student? What if one just doesn't want a baby? Personally, it is better to get an abortion than to ruin your life with a red, useless gremlin.
Let the hate comments flow in! :D
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