It's when you start to claim that "your body" includes something that is quite clearly another person entirely - sleeping when you're awake and waking when you're asleep, using its own eyes to look at things you'll never see, experiencing dreams that you'll never know about, hearing the same things you do day in and day out and processing them independently without consulting you etc., that the argument gets a little ridiculous.
people making controversial stamps and then disabling the comments are like my primary source of inspiration lately.
During sexual reproduction, after a woman's egg is fertilized, a zygote is formed which goes through a stage called "Mitosis" and creates a multicellular organism. And during the stage, the embryo or fetus, it is highly undeveloped.
So let me get this straight after this; A girl who is under the age of thirteen who is pregnant after being raped, do you know what is going to kill her? Birth is. Also, if a teen is pregnant and decides to abort, that would be much better because a baby is just going to ruin her education and life at this young age.
Also, if that younger than thirteen year old girl goes through with birth, it can kill her and the baby too. So what would you rather have? A fetus that is not highly developed yet be removed, or the possibility of losing two good lives? Choose wisely.
And if someone who is old enough but decides to abort? I'm sorry but that's her choice and no one should tell her otherwise. She is just removing a clump of cells, that's all.
Oh, and keep this is mind. This is coming from a person who doesn't like abortion and wouldn't do it herself I am not going to get my panties in a twist over it though.
End of story. If you could find a way to keep the embryo or zygote alive after being aborted that'd be one thing. But in the end it's HER body. She is not obligated to play host to something dependent on her body.
Also, where does the "Paying for someone's pleasure in bed" thing come into play? If she got pregnant chances i wasn't paying for her pleasure because she was either having unprotected sex meaning no government guaranteed birth control or he didn't pick up a condom, and it's also possible she didn't know about safe sex, so no tax funded sex ed entered play. Also, are you sure you actually give a damn about hard working families? Seems to me you expect them to pass an idiotic religious litmus test and only seem to acknowledge families with a mother and father. Does a family, despite working it's ass off to guarantee a good life for their kids, suddenly become invalid because it's two women? You really do come off as someone who has no actual opinion on this matter and just regurgitates the same useless arguments i've heard thousands of times from useless religious fundamentalists who should have stopped existing in developed nations decades ago and yet still seem to be deluded enough to make outrageous claims like "AMERICA IS A CHRISTIAN NATION!"
But when the point is valid, then it's no longer fallacious. You are approaching women's health issues and showing signs of a very, very ugly bias. A fundamentalist Christian dismissing things like contraceptives and abortion as "Reckless fun" and "Spilling Innocent Blood" typically is a sign that someone involved isn't thinking. That someone involved doesn't have an opinion or even a real sense of morals, you just parrot what you hear other fundie whackjobs say. And i haven't exactly been sold on you being reasonable and actually having moral objections. The overtly bigoted things in your favorites list and your quickness to dismiss one of the many signs of misogyny in the bible aren't exactly endearing you to me.
Was that too complicated?
Ehh I dunno perhaps THE FALSE IDEA THAT LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION?!!
You know that line that anti-choicers keep saying in order to eliminate women’s basic right to control over their own bodies?!!
Life does begin at conception
That only shows at the end of the day you use a phrase yet you don'y know it's meaning.
I already made stamp of this:
The real question is why questioning me about the fact that embryo isn't an human? What does it solve to question that?
While I at the other hand at the end of the day my question still remains.
Was that too complicated?
And considering you didn't get it I'm gonna take your "And what does it solve to say that?" as a yes.
I was questioning you because I suspect you're just saying "embryo, not human baby" in order to make abortion sound okay, which isnt a valid argument.
I'm pro-choice to an extent by the way. If a couple had consensual sex, didnt properly use protection and can manage it financially, they keep it. It wouldnt be "people controlling them" it would be them being irresponsible and forgetting that sex is not only for fun in the end. I'm okay with sex for fun but for fuck's sake no more "oh noes we had sex and a fetus formed, what the fuck??? remove it!!" and "evil people control me because I cant manage to control myself and use proper protection"
you know what? there's a difference between "beginning of life" and "fully developed"... a HUGE difference.
yeah I know that's what I just said to you.
Even I and probably you too arent "fully developed" yet as the brain is not completely developed until 24/25 years old.
Nooo?!! You think?!!!
So what? before something is "fully developed" it's "perfectly okay" to kill it?
Yeah right because the brain is the only organ that isn't fully developed, you know limbic circulatory system pulmonary, and the rest are they just fine. What part of process you don't fully understand is not only the brain everything is in the process of develop therefor just because is in that process it doesn't count as a fully alive entity so I wouldn't use the term "kill" while we stop that process. So allow me to rephrase your question.
So what? before something is "fully developed" it's "perfectly okay" to stop its growth?
And my answer is, "If the female who is brewing that entity doesn't want it" well YES!!(I'm pro choice I thought I had left that clear, so apparently you can't even understand the obvious, well you weren't kidding when you said your brain isn't fully developed)
I was questioning you because I suspect you're just saying "embryo, not human baby" in order to make abortion sound okay
Abortion is okay.
which isnt a valid argument.
Then why does the development of the fetus is the most significant fact that determines the morality of abortion?
I'm pro-choice to an extent by the way.
Theres no such thing your'e either pro-choice because you fully back up that choice or don't.
If a couple had consensual sex, didnt properly use protection and can manage it financially, they keep it.
HAHAHAHA!!!!! What ah! hahahaha! You think that the only think that people worries when they think about parenthood is the money? Also didn't properly use protection? You do realize that condoms aren't always sure right?
It wouldnt be "people controlling them"
You just said they if they can financially manage it they keep it and that's not controlling it? If they can manage it yeah right. I can imagine it: You two can afford a baby now have it, But But… I have dreams and a demanding career and having a kid is very life consuming, and I don't want to have a baby right know. Deciding for other people the criteria of how they should keep or abort a fetus isn't controlling them pal?
it would be them being irresponsible and forgetting that sex is not only for fun in the end.
My sexual encounters purpose are what I and my partner decide. And if you don't like it too bad.
I'm okay with sex for fun but for fuck's sake no more "oh noes we had sex and a fetus formed, what the fuck??? remove it!!"
If you don't have the guts to back up your sexual relationships and you aren't willing to take the hard choices that's up to you. Me on the other hand made my choice when I say "remove it" a long time ago.
*Yes I think so
*yes, and the skeleton too which isnt fully complete until puberty... as a whole, a newborn is still very fragile and overall completely dependent on its parents.
Well your brain obviously isnt fully developed either because you didnt get that I understood you were pro-choice.
*I know it's fucking acceptable, I said "sound" because just using vocabulary to eliminate any emotional appeal toward a fetus does not make a good point.
*because at some point it shouldnt be possible anymore to consider a fetus as a disposable clump of cells.
*well if you abort while being fully able to support it meh fuck it, do what you want, it's not like I care. and I think there's that "tomorrow's pill" if the condom breaks?
*Okay, it would be controlling people who fail to control themselves!
*It's not me not liking it it's how nature originally meant it.
If something's growing in my womb and I don't want it there, its getting the coat hanger.